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Bryant Again · Mar 30, 2007, 03:44 AM // 03:44

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Originally Posted by Thallandor

Free games have been around forever if you ever borthered to look. The only questionable differences between these games is the fun and quality factor.

To me, Even if GW2 is buy and free to play forever, However if it display some of the things in GW 1 that puts me off then i probably wont borther with it:

What do i mean by more of the same olde shite from GW1 in GW2?

1) PvE vs PvP debates ie skill balancing BS.

2) Cosmatic weapons/armour/levels/titles/things that you spend hours and hours on but have no real meaning in game.

3) Lack of things to do other than killing things (dont give storyline as an excuse, we been through that BS also, how many times do you want to replay characters through the storyline until your eyes and fingernails bleed?)

4) Limitations of PvE areas by PvP components. YES i am talking about the favor BS.

5) And FFS stop trying to merge PvP/PvE component/crowd together. Instead make your PvP component fun and less Elitist centric, a more inclusive and fun style of play will naturally encourage players to PvP without you begging them to do so.

You have 2 years Anet, dont screw this one up again.

I actually agree with a lot of this. Not flame bait at all, but I don't see how someone already took it as such.

I'm really hoping that they'll have PvP versions of the PvE skills, and vice versa.

The Ernada · Mar 30, 2007, 03:46 AM // 03:46

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Originally Posted by Bryant Again

I actually agree with a lot of this. Not flame bait at all, but I don't see how someone already took it as such.

Did you happen to miss his sig?

Bryant Again · Mar 30, 2007, 03:55 AM // 03:55

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Originally Posted by The Ernada

Did you happen to miss his sig?

I sure did, CS fer deh win. Steering a little off-topic here...

And Herald: I'm gonna have to challenge your WoW statement...Have you ever checked out this thread?

Silly Warrior · Mar 30, 2007, 05:00 AM // 05:00

Although this is a tad offtopic based on the title of this thread, I was pondering this.

WoW'ers, because I know so many, are really into RL sorta stuff, like you know...fishing...hunting, killing boars in the forest (southpark there). But I'm honestly wondering if Guild Wars 2 is going to include all the greatness of the original + a few RL things to do when you get bored. Because Guild Wars would have this RL feature, it would draw more people in, and truly be a more deciding factor for future customers, especially those who had to choose between WoW 2 and Guild Wars 2. Plus GW2 would have no monthy fee, so that would be an even BIGGER bonus.

Most would say it would be a A TERRIBLE thing if it was included...but c'mon...bored on a saturday no guildies online, I'd find it fun to fish myself, and I'm a longtime Guild Wars fanatic. It be alot better than redoing any missions, especially because missions aren't as relaxing, and I don't play games to get stressed out.... (Cough thunderhead keep).

I think A-Net would be unwise to not include RL stuff. Even if it was just 1 little pond in Lions Arch, check out how many people loved Roller Beetle Racing...it wasn't fighting.

Chop trees down for wood, fish for scales...blah blah. Sounds like a funner way to get materials then to go kill things to salvage them into wood.

And for those who want me to join the WoW croud (heaven forbid) , I really do believe adding such a thing would be great, and I'm sure Anet would make it totally unique, unlike any other typical MMO's.

It could work in GW2, and the community would accept it, and Anet would make it unique.

Yep.

The Great Al · Mar 30, 2007, 05:06 AM // 05:06

April 1st is in 2 days...almost guarantee that Anet will have some sort of "we just decided that we're gunna have to have a monthly fee!" sort of article on their website.

Silly Warrior · Mar 30, 2007, 05:14 AM // 05:14

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Originally Posted by The Great Al

April 1st is in 2 days...almost guarantee that Anet will have some sort of "we just decided that we're gunna have to have a monthly fee!" sort of article on their website.

Lol Al...not only is GW2 over 1 and 1/2 years away at least... I could care less even if they did say it, which they won't because Gaile, PC Gamer, and all interviews stressed to a ball-breaking point that there will be no monthly fee.

But yeah, it would be actually sorta ironic and hilarious if they did.

Onarik Amrak · Mar 30, 2007, 11:58 AM // 11:58

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Originally Posted by Thallandor

Corrected. Going to take a look tonite in preorder beta.

btw arent you the one who responded to the WoW pic in this thread:
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...php?t=10136271

Love turned hate can be an ugly affair and many have asked the same question before.

Just because you played and enjoyed a game once dont neccessary mean you have to enjoy all apsect of a game or less become a fanboi for the game on one of its fansite. If you been around or have been lurking around these forums while debates have been going on you would understand the frustrations.

But of course i wont expect someone with simplistic mind who knows only WoW as the other game as compared to GW to understand that.

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PvP QQers, go back and play CS.

The point is that WoW is huge, hence "WoW Crowd". It wouldn't make sense to quote an unpopular MMO would it? Use a bit of logic and you'll find you won't post such ridiculously stupid flame bait posts.

Also I do like the picture, because of what it SAYS not because it's made from a screeen from that game. Think about it. Jeez.

Mordakai · Mar 30, 2007, 03:23 PM // 15:23

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Originally Posted by Silly Warrior

WoW'ers, because I know so many, are really into RL sorta stuff, like you know...fishing...hunting, killing boars in the forest (southpark there). But I'm honestly wondering if Guild Wars 2 is going to include all the greatness of the original + a few RL things to do when you get bored. Because Guild Wars would have this RL feature, it would draw more people in, and truly be a more deciding factor for future customers, especially those who had to choose between WoW 2 and Guild Wars 2. Plus GW2 would have no monthy fee, so that would be an even BIGGER bonus.

Yep.

I read somwhere that fishing, hunting, crafting, etc. are not out of bounds in the future of Guild Wars. (This was way before the Guild Wars 2 announcement).

So, no, I don't think such things are off limits. Even if they aren't included in the release of GW2, they still could be added later. (although I'm still convinced that Crafting will be introduced in GW2!)

Alex Weekes · Mar 30, 2007, 04:44 PM // 16:44

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Originally Posted by twicky_kid

After leaving GW for WoW I am torn about the monthly fees. So much more support is given to WoW by blizzard. There are events constantly. Changes made to the game on a regular basis. An official forum (not downing guru here would be nice if we had an official forum for GW). Lots of storage and character slots right out of the box. Server maintenance is done more often on WoW servers. Maintenance cost money to do. How many times have we had server maintenance in GW? I can probly count the times on 1 hand. Even though the server is down its in early AM hours and doesn't bother me. When I log on I know I'm getting on a server that works. Unlike the 500+ ping I have on GW regularly while I have a less than 100 on WoW servers.

You'd be surprised actually. Server maintenance occurs frequently for all our servers. It's just that because of the way GW's technology is built you don't see that maintenance.

Onarik Amrak · Mar 30, 2007, 05:16 PM // 17:16

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Originally Posted by Alex Weekes

You'd be surprised actually. Server maintenance occurs frequently for all our servers. It's just that because of the way GW's technology is built you don't see that maintenance.

All hail superior technology! Prime example of just because you don't see it doesn't mean it's not happening.

Sir Skullcrasher · Mar 30, 2007, 05:40 PM // 17:40

Congrat on putting no monthly fee on GW2. I will buy the game for sure!

twicky_kid · Mar 30, 2007, 06:39 PM // 18:39

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Originally Posted by floppinghog

This part just bothers me, because its plainly false. There are games that charge monthly fees equal or 5-/+ difference to WoW's that don't have updates often, offer little to no support, leech your money, ignore cries of the community for fixes on bugs that have been around since its release (more than 5 years old). And offer no events whatsoever to liven the game up. All while having an insecure server/client prone to hacking.

That has nothing to do with having a bigger budget. That is called bad management. I'm not saying that ever game that is monthly fee is going to be good. There are tons of bad ones. I would like to see a poll of players that would be willing to pay a monthly fee. I can already guess the results remembering back when character slots were being suggested by players and players offering to pay for them. Players are willing to throw more money at GW because they believe it will help improve the game. As with anything you buy you pay for what you get. Sure you can get that cheap low insurance plan but when you need it are they really going to help you. Same can be said with just about everything. You cannot beat a quality product at a good price even if is a little expensive. Since Anet has already announced they can do GW2 with no monthly fee they can easily beat any competition for a monthly fee and at the same increase their own budget to do more on the game.

The dev teams do dictate a game's success but if they are under funded by management then they will be severely hindered. This is a business. The bottom line will always be "does this make money?" If it does then explain how. If you cannot explain how it will make money to management then its not going to get approval.

Alex thanx for the response. I know GW is using great technology. Its proven by the competition basically copying the streaming system from you guys.

I left GW because of several reasons but one overwhelming reason was my ping. My ping continued to grow as GW go older. It is now to a point where I cannot play the game at all. I only play pvp and at a 500+ ping at all times makes it impossible. I live on the east coast and I understand your servers are on the west coast but it still should not be this high. I have done all the test possible to determine its is not my isp or system. I play other games that have servers on the west coast and I have <100 ping at all times. I've seen several players saying the same thing on different forums and in game.

With your business model you have to keep releasing titles to keep the money coming to support the game. Compared to WoW that just adds content and you pay a monthly fee. They are really both the same and GW comes to be a few bucks cheaper per year. Even though I don't pay a monthly fee I can break down all the chapters I've bought over a monthly basis and comes up just short of WoW for 1 year. Most consumers will not see it this way and that is the target market. As a business I understand the marketing strategy in that since.

Anet does give me the choice of buying the new chapter or not but honestly its not much of a choice. There is always going to be power creep with every new expansion. If there wasn't there would be very little incentive to buy the new chapter. So its either upgrade or get left behind. Previous chapters become ghost towns and makes it harder to get groups because you don't have the better skills. You might as well forget about PvP if you don't have all the chapters. How many all prophecies skill bars are there around in PvP?

I never understood this "pressure to play" because I pay a monthly fee. If I know I won't be playing much that month I turn it off. Simple as that.

I myself am willing to pay a monthly fee because I know that in the end it will help the game a lot. I'm sure I'm not alone in this but I'm not going to speak for other people. $5 a month is nothing even to kid with no job and has to ask mommy and daddy. If $5 a month is going to make or break you, you have much bigger problems you should be dealing with than a video game.

Mordakai · Mar 30, 2007, 06:53 PM // 18:53

Twicky, you make some great arguments, but the bottom line is Anet promised No Monthly Fees.

As you can tell by the huge post about Guild Wars 2, people will debate playable races, level caps, solo vs group play, etc.

But one thing they will not debate is monthly fees. Guild Wars 2 can't have monthly fees, it's the one thing that is not negotiable.

I don't think they could even offer "premium service" (guaranteeing low ping, for example) for a monthly fee without the majority of players calling "foul."

But, let's put a poll up. My guess: 80% against monthly fees will be the lowest that question would poll. More likely would be a 90%+ result against monthly fees.

Even if it were only 75%, that would spell doom for Guild Wars.

Omega X · Mar 30, 2007, 06:58 PM // 18:58

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Originally Posted by The Great Al

April 1st is in 2 days...almost guarantee that Anet will have some sort of "we just decided that we're gunna have to have a monthly fee!" sort of article on their website.

And then they can kiss the majority of its userbase goodbye.

Ork Pride · Mar 30, 2007, 07:31 PM // 19:31

WoW has, what? 6-7 million players or more? By the time GW2 comes out, don't you think WoW2 or World of Starcraft will be out?

twicky_kid · Mar 30, 2007, 09:08 PM // 21:08

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Originally Posted by Ork Pride

WoW has, what? 6-7 million players or more? By the time GW2 comes out, don't you think WoW2 or World of Starcraft will be out?

Not only that but games like vanguard are giving wow some major competition as it is. The main thing holding that game back is the system requirements are so much higher than WoW and GW (and GW has some decently high system req for an avg computer owner) making it available to a small customer base. With the new duo cpus and their price expecting to go down by mid-late this year you might see that change.

More than likely you will see something major happen to WoW in the next few years to respond to the competition.

GW has cornered the no monthly fee market while still just a few less dollars than WoW with the monthly fees over 1 year.

Marketing is everything for GW. They don't have to keep you playing they just need you to buy the game. WoW has to keep its customers happy otherwise they will go elsewhere with their money which is why you see more events, changes, and GMs to help players in game to ensure their playing experience is a positive experience.

To me it seems that GW has to work with the bare minimum due to its business model. Its very risky for GW to invest a lot of money into adding content or any other business expenses because it can only make money from the chapter releases which is 1 time from each player. Instead of WoW (I'm only using wow in the example becauses its the biggest monthly subscription game) that has a steady income knows it can invest plenty of money into something and it be replenished the next month. Also keep in mind that fewer of the new chapters are sold with each expansion release. So as time goes on that's less of a budget to work with and still supporting players from previous chapters. Just something to think about before the game comes out.

I am excited to see the beta and be apart of it again as I was for GW1.

Dreikki · Mar 30, 2007, 09:12 PM // 21:12

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Originally Posted by Ork Pride

World of Starcraft

April fools, anyone?

memnock deathwalker · Apr 03, 2007, 11:52 AM // 11:52

Well I for one have been very pleased with the support I have got we I needed it from GW. I also still have a cold bitter taste from all the broken promises from Blizzard in the past on Star Craft Ghost and a few other titles that they promised.
Two main reasons I bought GW one price of game 50 bucks for an MMO is a fair price considering the when WOW came out it was 69 bucks here where I am. and second no monthly fee. I for one can not see spending that much money for a game to have to keep paying to play it. Plus I have a friend that use to play WOW but after coming over to my house one day while I was playing GW, He went and stopped on his why home and bought a copy and has yet been back on WOW. He likes the game due to you have to think more when playing . It is easy to take a level 80 into a place where only level 30 are but to take a level 20 in a place where the AI's are level 24 to 28 and come out alive is more of a challenge.

I too will be buying GW2 and hope I get to beta test it as I did not find out about GW until it had been out a month or so.
The Dev's have a good plan on what players want and they have shown that by making a online game with no monthly fees that is fun too play. I say this after finishing my first year with GW and have over 2200 hours of play time and that is with working 2 jobs to boot.
Keep up the great work

Caith-Avar · Apr 03, 2007, 12:00 PM // 12:00

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Originally Posted by memnock deathwalker

Well I for one have been very pleased with the support I have got we I needed it from GW.

While I agree with your complete and overall post, I felt the urge to reply this. So: QFT.

Longasc · Apr 03, 2007, 12:03 PM // 12:03

I do not bother about a monthly fee or not.

I want a good game, and if I like a game, then it does not matter to me if it has a fee or not. I can pay the usual fee charged by MMORPGs without problems.

I play(ed) GW1 because I liked the approach, away from itemization and level grind, not because it was free.